You mean "The Police"? Like, live and in concert?
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by Divemistress of the Dark on 09 Mar 2007 00:48
What guy?
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by georgygirl on 09 Mar 2007 04:00
I think someone here was arguing, right?
Relax, have a cigar...
But the true is this world tour will be a crazy effort for our lovely guys...
I agree with dirtymartiniii wishes to take care...
Relax, have a cigar...
But the true is this world tour will be a crazy effort for our lovely guys...
I agree with dirtymartiniii wishes to take care...
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by NoOneYouKnow on 09 Mar 2007 15:39
I don't know. 39 posts doesn't really seem like veteran status to me.
And at 1060 posts and counting, poor Jean has obviously responded to more threads than she can possibly keep track of, hence the confusion about exactly who she's been arguing with.
Frankly, I'm just happy to see you all keeping this thread on the front page. The live download idea deserves the attention, even if a select and vocal few of you totally don't get the tone of the first post.
Peace and love (and a good 'ol heaping help of ignore!)
And at 1060 posts and counting, poor Jean has obviously responded to more threads than she can possibly keep track of, hence the confusion about exactly who she's been arguing with.
Frankly, I'm just happy to see you all keeping this thread on the front page. The live download idea deserves the attention, even if a select and vocal few of you totally don't get the tone of the first post.
Peace and love (and a good 'ol heaping help of ignore!)
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by Grant on 09 Mar 2007 17:42
Hey folks, let's all chill. I think that some light sarcasm was taken out of context... like when I send an email to my girlfriend and forget to
include the smileys I'm in the doghouse for a few days...
On a lighter note, I got tix to the second Denver show. I have an extra (single) floor seat. write if interested.
include the smileys I'm in the doghouse for a few days...
On a lighter note, I got tix to the second Denver show. I have an extra (single) floor seat. write if interested.
"Sting was a (expletive) before, and he really is now."- SC
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by Philip on 09 Mar 2007 18:11
no1youknow, thanks for making critics. It gets boring to reed that everyone loves 100% of what is happening.
Personaly, i feel desapointed about a lot of things.
- does sting really need that much money to redo the roof of his castles ?
- does the music companies and the tour promoters have NO OTHER YOUNGER artists to make money with ?
- does the record company have no other CD to sell than the police material we all bought a liest twice on all supports ?
All this makes me wonder if Sting is really as clever as it seemed until know.
SOmeone said to me i'am not a "fan". Ok I admit now. I am probably not a "fan". Just somone who likes good music.
Personaly, i feel desapointed about a lot of things.
- does sting really need that much money to redo the roof of his castles ?
- does the music companies and the tour promoters have NO OTHER YOUNGER artists to make money with ?
- does the record company have no other CD to sell than the police material we all bought a liest twice on all supports ?
All this makes me wonder if Sting is really as clever as it seemed until know.
SOmeone said to me i'am not a "fan". Ok I admit now. I am probably not a "fan". Just somone who likes good music.
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by NoOneYouKnow on 11 Mar 2007 13:04
Yeah, but Sting has a lot of talent. It doesn't bother me to see him making money with it.
The live downloads could be very simple and profitable if there's no record company involved. Just have to hope that Sting has fulfilled all his contractual obligations and is free to sell on his own via the web. I imagine that would cut out a lot of red tape.
Little or no album artwork to deal with. No manufacturing costs and minimal distribution costs. No record company taking their percentage.
The only thing left to work on is Sting's distaste for live recordings, though it does seem that Sting's opinions are changing...
The live downloads could be very simple and profitable if there's no record company involved. Just have to hope that Sting has fulfilled all his contractual obligations and is free to sell on his own via the web. I imagine that would cut out a lot of red tape.
Little or no album artwork to deal with. No manufacturing costs and minimal distribution costs. No record company taking their percentage.
The only thing left to work on is Sting's distaste for live recordings, though it does seem that Sting's opinions are changing...
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by DirtyMartiniii on 11 Mar 2007 19:00
[quote="NoOneYouKnow"]
The live downloads could be very simple and profitable if there's no record company involved. Just have to hope that Sting has fulfilled all his contractual obligations and is free to sell on his own via the web. I imagine that would cut out a lot of red tape.
Little or no album artwork to deal with. No manufacturing costs and minimal distribution costs. No record company taking their percentage.
[/quote]
Now this I can talk to.
Like I said, I too would love live downloads. But considering The Police are also a Product and a Brand, they've got quite a few obstacles that keep them from going the grassroots/direct-to-the-net route. Plus keep in mind the number of behind-the-scenes folks who would need to be involved even though there is no physical product: sound guys doing transfers, clean up, mixing, editing; librarians archiving both the physical recordings and the content; front- and back-end tech guys dealing with the actual delivery and net issues, admins dealing with the simple office crap of deadlines and communications; a project manager to serve as the ultimate point person; a lawyer to deal with rights issues and contracts; the poor schmuck who has to decide what to do about all those four-letter words; . . .
But most importantly, just because there is no physical record doesn't mean that the record company doesn't get their cut: for all intents and purposes, because The Police are A&M recording artists, A&M owns The Police. [It all depends on who owns the copyrights, etc.]
[It is A&M, isn't it? Am I screwing that up? Or is it Interscope now?]
I'm not saying that [i]I[/i] don't think it's worth it (especially since I don't have to do a damn thing), but I can understand if the band or their People don't want to deal with it. As individuals, I think they'd have more leeway: I remember SC in an interview talking about how iTunes makes it possible for him to do less mainstream work because he is able to sell music directly despite not being able to get physical shelf space in a brick-and-mortar store. But as a copyrighted and trademarked unit, I can imagine processes get pretty convoluted. At this point, I don't think they can escape The Big Dumb Company without forming a whole new entity.
Add in the likelihood that record company is planning for (at least) a single, authorized, physical release of The Police Reunion Tour LIVE CD and DVD complete with all the bells and whistles (and the likelihood of a VP somewhere using the phrase "diluting the market" in regard to multiple concert recordings (whether true or not)), . . .
Sting-wise, I woulder if it's the quality control (or more specifically, lack thereof) issue in a live recording that puts him off. Sour notes in concert disappear into history; sour notes in distribution become history.
The live downloads could be very simple and profitable if there's no record company involved. Just have to hope that Sting has fulfilled all his contractual obligations and is free to sell on his own via the web. I imagine that would cut out a lot of red tape.
Little or no album artwork to deal with. No manufacturing costs and minimal distribution costs. No record company taking their percentage.
[/quote]
Now this I can talk to.
Like I said, I too would love live downloads. But considering The Police are also a Product and a Brand, they've got quite a few obstacles that keep them from going the grassroots/direct-to-the-net route. Plus keep in mind the number of behind-the-scenes folks who would need to be involved even though there is no physical product: sound guys doing transfers, clean up, mixing, editing; librarians archiving both the physical recordings and the content; front- and back-end tech guys dealing with the actual delivery and net issues, admins dealing with the simple office crap of deadlines and communications; a project manager to serve as the ultimate point person; a lawyer to deal with rights issues and contracts; the poor schmuck who has to decide what to do about all those four-letter words; . . .
But most importantly, just because there is no physical record doesn't mean that the record company doesn't get their cut: for all intents and purposes, because The Police are A&M recording artists, A&M owns The Police. [It all depends on who owns the copyrights, etc.]
[It is A&M, isn't it? Am I screwing that up? Or is it Interscope now?]
I'm not saying that [i]I[/i] don't think it's worth it (especially since I don't have to do a damn thing), but I can understand if the band or their People don't want to deal with it. As individuals, I think they'd have more leeway: I remember SC in an interview talking about how iTunes makes it possible for him to do less mainstream work because he is able to sell music directly despite not being able to get physical shelf space in a brick-and-mortar store. But as a copyrighted and trademarked unit, I can imagine processes get pretty convoluted. At this point, I don't think they can escape The Big Dumb Company without forming a whole new entity.
Add in the likelihood that record company is planning for (at least) a single, authorized, physical release of The Police Reunion Tour LIVE CD and DVD complete with all the bells and whistles (and the likelihood of a VP somewhere using the phrase "diluting the market" in regard to multiple concert recordings (whether true or not)), . . .
Sting-wise, I woulder if it's the quality control (or more specifically, lack thereof) issue in a live recording that puts him off. Sour notes in concert disappear into history; sour notes in distribution become history.
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by georgygirl on 11 Mar 2007 19:33
A tweety told me on any other day, Sting is an extremely shy man...
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by NoOneYouKnow on 12 Mar 2007 00:03
The band has been gone for 20+ years. Pretty sure A&M doesn't have a recording contract with them that is still active. That had to be how Sting was able to walk away in the first place, eh? If they owed A&M another record, we all sure would've heard about THAT mess.
A&M owns most if not all of the master recordings (maybe not Outlandos?) and they are entitled to repackage those ad infinitum, which is exactly what they do.
Beyond that, Sting owns the rights to his songs and I think it's a safe bet that the Police are free to do whatever they want with new recordings.
This shouldn't be complicated at all. Just take a digital copy of the two-track board tape and FTP it over to thepolicetour.com (no editing, no mixing, etc.) So many of the hurdles are covered already, or aren't even there to begin with.
But like you say, the fatal flaw in the plan is, if Sting doesn't hit any one of several hundred difficult notes during the evening, it lives forever. Even still, it would take the FTP guy/gal about four seconds to just cut the offending song. This would apply to Andy as well, and Stewart, if he in fact made mistakes.
A&M owns most if not all of the master recordings (maybe not Outlandos?) and they are entitled to repackage those ad infinitum, which is exactly what they do.
Beyond that, Sting owns the rights to his songs and I think it's a safe bet that the Police are free to do whatever they want with new recordings.
This shouldn't be complicated at all. Just take a digital copy of the two-track board tape and FTP it over to thepolicetour.com (no editing, no mixing, etc.) So many of the hurdles are covered already, or aren't even there to begin with.
But like you say, the fatal flaw in the plan is, if Sting doesn't hit any one of several hundred difficult notes during the evening, it lives forever. Even still, it would take the FTP guy/gal about four seconds to just cut the offending song. This would apply to Andy as well, and Stewart, if he in fact made mistakes.
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by georgygirl on 12 Mar 2007 00:20
Yawn...
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by DirtyMartini on 12 Mar 2007 01:55
Sorry to bore you, Georgy. These should pick you up:
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b85/y ... y01jpg.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b85/y ... b/face.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b85/y ... mpany2.jpg
(Please forgive the links, Gio.)
[quote="NoOneYouKnow"]The band has been gone for 20+ years. Pretty sure A&M doesn't have a recording contract with them that is still active. That had to be how Sting was able to walk away in the first place, eh? If they owed A&M another record, we all sure would've heard about THAT mess.[/quote]
Oh no -- I don't mean that they still owe A&M another album from their old contract. (Although Sting as a solo artist was still an A&M client, at least early on.) I just mean that the rights to The Police entity might be held by A&M. I kinda hope that Sting, AS, & SC hold the copyright themselves since that would free their hands dramatically, but they wouldn't be the first band whose name and brand are owned by a company. And if they are in fact considering further albums or an (official) live album, then a record company of some kind will likely enter to mess with the picture.
[quote="NoOneYouKnow"]
Beyond that, Sting owns the rights to his songs and I think it's a safe bet that the Police are free to do whatever they want with new recordings.
[/quote]
Sting owns the songs, but so does Sting's publisher (EMI, I think). And if the equipment that does the recording is paid for by someone other than Sting, Andy, and Stewart (Live Nation perhaps?), then the owner of the equipment may very well have rights to the recordings.
[quote="NoOneYouKnow"]
This shouldn't be complicated at all.
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I agree that it [i]shouldn't[/i] be complicated, but, judging from The Police's historical business model (forgive me for using that idiotic term), the corporate handling of the Tour, etc., it would not surprise me in the least if does turn out to be complicated. That's not to diss the way that the business side is being handled -- business happens. If they are able to get around the Big Dumb Company aspects and do direct releases, then I say "Bravo!" There just seems to be quite a few factors involved that might bar The Police as a product to be handled quite as loosely as, say, the Dead.[/i][/quote]
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b85/y ... y01jpg.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b85/y ... b/face.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b85/y ... mpany2.jpg
(Please forgive the links, Gio.)
[quote="NoOneYouKnow"]The band has been gone for 20+ years. Pretty sure A&M doesn't have a recording contract with them that is still active. That had to be how Sting was able to walk away in the first place, eh? If they owed A&M another record, we all sure would've heard about THAT mess.[/quote]
Oh no -- I don't mean that they still owe A&M another album from their old contract. (Although Sting as a solo artist was still an A&M client, at least early on.) I just mean that the rights to The Police entity might be held by A&M. I kinda hope that Sting, AS, & SC hold the copyright themselves since that would free their hands dramatically, but they wouldn't be the first band whose name and brand are owned by a company. And if they are in fact considering further albums or an (official) live album, then a record company of some kind will likely enter to mess with the picture.
[quote="NoOneYouKnow"]
Beyond that, Sting owns the rights to his songs and I think it's a safe bet that the Police are free to do whatever they want with new recordings.
[/quote]
Sting owns the songs, but so does Sting's publisher (EMI, I think). And if the equipment that does the recording is paid for by someone other than Sting, Andy, and Stewart (Live Nation perhaps?), then the owner of the equipment may very well have rights to the recordings.
[quote="NoOneYouKnow"]
This shouldn't be complicated at all.
[/quote]
I agree that it [i]shouldn't[/i] be complicated, but, judging from The Police's historical business model (forgive me for using that idiotic term), the corporate handling of the Tour, etc., it would not surprise me in the least if does turn out to be complicated. That's not to diss the way that the business side is being handled -- business happens. If they are able to get around the Big Dumb Company aspects and do direct releases, then I say "Bravo!" There just seems to be quite a few factors involved that might bar The Police as a product to be handled quite as loosely as, say, the Dead.[/i][/quote]
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by jedsoon on 12 Mar 2007 03:44
[quote="DirtyMartiniii"] I remember SC in an interview talking about how iTunes makes it possible for him to do less mainstream work because he is able to sell music directly despite not being able to get physical shelf space in a brick-and-mortar store. [/quote]
Does Stewart have music available on itunes? As in stuff that isn't available elsewhere? I would check myself, and will when i can get to a fast connection, but forget dialup. I just gave the site a good 15-20 minutes to load and it's still a no-go.
But i won't have hi-speed access until tomorrow or the next day. Enquiring minds want to know NOW!
Does Stewart have music available on itunes? As in stuff that isn't available elsewhere? I would check myself, and will when i can get to a fast connection, but forget dialup. I just gave the site a good 15-20 minutes to load and it's still a no-go.
But i won't have hi-speed access until tomorrow or the next day. Enquiring minds want to know NOW!
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by Mrs. Gradenko on 12 Mar 2007 03:57
>I don't know. 39 posts doesn't really seem like veteran status to me.
Lisapear may not have been here that long yet, but she has become a part of the community.
And there already is a live download thread.
Lisapear may not have been here that long yet, but she has become a part of the community.
And there already is a live download thread.
“...and er, did anyone try just pushing this little red button?”
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by lisaspear on 12 Mar 2007 04:07
[quote]I don't know. 39 posts doesn't really seem like veteran status to me.
Lisapear may not have been here that long yet, but she has become a part of the community.
And there already is a live download thread.[/quote]
AWWWWWWWWWW Mrs. G!!!!!!!!!!
I am loving it here!!!
Lisapear may not have been here that long yet, but she has become a part of the community.
And there already is a live download thread.[/quote]
AWWWWWWWWWW Mrs. G!!!!!!!!!!
I am loving it here!!!
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