Sting and celebrity 'green hypocrisy'

[vespapod]

Hi Dive:
I do think a HUGE problem that needs to be addressed real soon is overpopulation!!!


I aint even touching that one!!....I guess my ranting is simply Im tired of the USA forcing its shit on other countries of the world...heavens knows if we had a rainforest it would be a Disney world by now!! I feel these countries are responsible for their own decisions...we can suggest but dont make those countries feel like shit when they are just trying to get by on rice every day... Personally what THIS country need is gas at 7 bucks a gallon and 600 dollar electric bills..a la Italy....that will get people conserving real fast!!

Merry Christmas

[sockii]

Personally what THIS country need is gas at 7 bucks a gallon and 600 dollar electric bills..a la Italy....that will get people conserving real fast!!

I wish I could find it right now on-line (if I can find my print copy I'll scan), but a few months ago Technology Review did a fascinating extrapolation of how gas price increases, from $5 to $20 in the future decades (a not unreasonable price) could potentially affect the United States and how we live. It was fascinating stuff, if somewhat scary (if only in the scope of the changes--ie, the absolute death of the suburbs, 90+% of population living in urban cities and the rest dedicated to purely rural farming...no more long-distance/2-hour commuting...lots of other things I'm blanking on but definitely food for thought.)

[63falcon]

[quote="shyvixen"]For a second there I thought this was about Sting being bothered by The Flag on Tourzilla.

Sheesh dude, that was like a year and a half ago - move on with your life! [/quote]


Guess what-HE/Mr. Sting probaly thought so at first too!!! Green w/ envy maybe over that Flag thing heeheeheehee...

I am w/ vespapod via his first post on this thread. I don't buy into the whole my-exhalation-as-atmospheric-doom thing(those green trees LOVE CO2!). Folks should take an open minded glance at the solar minimums and maximiums, which tack pretty closely to higher & lower temp averages......and there's nuthin' more carbon neutral than a good ol' nuke plant! Just ask those French, w/ the newer modular units and the graphite 'pebble' reactors (Arreva has a great site...)
Between Mr. Gore and Mr. Sting, its a wonder there's any atmosphere left.
And I always walk to one job, 20/25 minutes ea. way, I walk to grocer, haven't turned my heat on YET (and we've had an 18 d F night already), grow my own kitchen greens/hebal spices, support the City Mrkt. where I can buy the quan. I need w/out packaging, 90 % of my clothes & shoes are second hand and I get compliments, and I am an all cash girl....
So when I do get The Lecture from a SIerra Club Member w/ a big SUV, who just credit-carded $500+ bucks in outdoor clothing at my PT mountaineering store job, when they find out I grew up shooting-and eating- squirrels (great stew, ya' just need more than one!), it takes ALL my Southern Lady upbringing not too read the riot act out to them!! I have encountered hypocrisy in different folks, at church, at work, in my own mirror, but I have steadily found most hypocrisy among the Greenies.

[vespapod]

I havent had squirrel stew in ages...not enough meat on them in the northeast...send sockii the recipe..

[63falcon]

Well, first you get that sight on yer trusty bolt-action .22 true, no sloppy hunting not sportin'....
Then after you get about 3-4 good-sized of those buggers you make a slit in abdomen to remove visera, your cats will LOVE you, remove head and paws(the paws dry well), and the start the skin w/ a short sharp broadbladed knife. Then the whole skin will slip right of, well like a little t-shirt.....
You have to get over how carcass looks a tad like a very musculer long torsoed gymnast (yeah, really), scrub anyremaining hairs/fur with some salt and a scrbby or steel wool-go easy. Quarter, rub a little olive oil-butter over surfaces (I believe my , maybe 2mins. or a bit more. remove pieces, add remainder of cornmeal/flour and brown (add oil as necessary, but not too much), then pour a cup of mlik cut by 1/3 water and stir to make a gravy, replace pieces along w/ small or quartered taters (Russian fingerlings, fantastic!), garlic, onions, carrots, and I will have something green cooking on the side too. Oh, a nice pan of VA or NC style cornbread (NO sugar, yellow meal please). Let this 'stew' together for a good half hour to 45 min., test meat w/ fork and leave to cook if somewhat resistant to the prongs.
OR you could do what my Newark NJ born & bred Dad did to me once. Make a big pot of white rice, some salt and butter, mound on plate. Meanwhile do NOT scrub little hairs off squirrel carcss do nOT quarter, just raost whole for 1 hr. in 350 d F oven. Plop that little man right on your daughter plate and try no to laugh as she FREAKS out!!
It is hard to bite into that little gut when he isn't all chopped up.....my greenie-veggie friends woudl have loved to see me choke down that meal Those Jersey boys I love my Dad, he has that ribb-you humor y'all Garden Staters seem to have!
I hpoe I havn't inadvertantly started another Southern culture OT, sorry, sorry!

[Divemistress of the Dark]

Dunno. As a seventh-generation Southerner myself, I find a lot of hypocrisy among conservatives who claim the individual should be able to do whatever he wants (and it's usually "he" they're talking about), but then they turn around and try to legislate morality to everybody. Then their plans for good government are so far out of touch with reality it's not even funny. Currently my state is suffering horribly from a lack of employment and skyrocketing education costs; what did our right-winger legislature do all summer? Push a passel of anti-abortion and gun bills, including one encouraging people to carry loaded firearms into bars. This is on top of the 10% sales tax the righties pushed earlier this decade, after they decided they didn't want to pay income taxes. This has decimated our small business community and pushed consumer spending into the seven surrounding states, all of which offer lower tax. Great, great ideas, guys. Now we're billions of dollars in the hole and these righties have no frigging clue how to dig us out of it.

Right now, most of the right-wing nutjobs I know are so into denying the whole thing it's not even funny. (I mean REALLY right-wing; I'm surrounded by people who probably pray to their image of Glenn Beck over the mantlepiece every night, and likely they're farther right than most folks on SC.net.) They don't pay one bit of attention to the fact that people putting out climate-change-denial materials are rolling in payola from the likes of the Cato Institute - the folks behind the East Anglia email flap earlier this month. They were cofounded and are largely funded by Charles Koch, a billionaire Kansas-based oil magnate, and pour dough into PR efforts discouraging people from believing their own eyes vis a vis weather and other patterns. You think the big three automakers and oil companies aren't fighting tooth and toenail to stop any legislation designed to stop pollution of our air and water? I have a bridge in just your color.

Dunno. Dump on Al Gore all you want - at least he's doing something about the problem, despite the likes of Lush Rimjob, that sit around on their high horses pontificating all damn day and spewing flat out disinformation.

[Johnny O]

What i find amusing is the mis-labeling (is that a word?) of this issue. "Save Our Planet"? The planet will be here alot longer than we will and no matter what we weak humanoids do to our environment, the earth will be just fine. "Save Ourselves" is more like it. Let's at least be honest about what egocentric initiatve we are undertaking here. We are trying to save humans, not the planet.
Now that being said, humans (as a whole) are worthy of saving. But let's not sit in judgement on our high barded horses and falsely believe that we cockroaches have any power to save a planet. That's a job for the man upstairs.
Now that being said, which track has the better high hat performace, Darkness or Murder By Numbers?

[smax]

well played to gordo for entering paxman's lair.. he was not going to get an easy ride from Mr P.

[63falcon]

Here is a reply to the legislating morality thing: Isn't all this carbon tax (to me)whoo-ey just a way to legisslate a different ste of moralities? There are folks who want Environmentalism designated as a religion now, w/ all its attendant protections, etc.....
And I do exhale C O 2. My house plants have seemed to flourish, actually.
And Dive, yes I do want to send you a HappyNutterDay card regardless!! So pass on the contact info, if you'd like! I'll send you a good non-game recipe !

[smudge]

[quote="Johnny O"]What i find amusing is the mis-labeling (is that a word?) of this issue. "Save Our Planet"? The planet will be here alot longer than we will and no matter what we weak humanoids do to our environment, the earth will be just fine. "Save Ourselves" is more like it. Let's at least be honest about what egocentric initiatve we are undertaking here. We are trying to save humans, not the planet.
Now that being said, humans (as a whole) are worthy of saving. But let's not sit in judgement on our high barded horses and falsely believe that we cockroaches have any power to save a planet. That's a job for the man upstairs.
Now that being said, which track has the better high hat performace, Darkness or Murder By Numbers?[/quote]

I'm not a believer in a higher power, but your analysis of the worst of human attitudes to the planet is pretty sound sir. Go easy on the cockroaches though. While growing up in europe during the Cold War I found it somewhat comforting to know that even if we managed to obliterate ourselves and most 'higher' lifeforms (which felt distinctly possible at the time), the cockroaches would probably pull through. It would be a bit of a set-back in evolutionary terms, but given time they'd probably come up with some things as cool as opposable thumbs, Shakespeare, wells, calculator digital watches, smallpox vaccine, sewers, music, particle accelerators, charity, dancing, fishing, songs, conversation, negotiation, and the Hubble Space Telescope. By any biological definition, we're a plague. We need to get smart, quick to stop being that.

[Divemistress of the Dark]

Dunno if they're broadcasting this over there, K, but there's a TV program here called "Life After People" that talks about what would happen to the planet if all humans were suddenly gone. It's based on a book by more or less the same name that's really fascinating (a lot of things would be fine, but there are some things we've done that are irrevocable - mostly due to importing non-native species and building nuclear reactors.)

More: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_Without_Us

As far as environmentalism being a "religion," I don't know how being able to breathe or drink water that's not full of pollution falls under the heading of 'morality,' or how wanting to maintain the stable character of the planet does either. I'm guessing you're talking about people who are into scientific denial and who think that having to change one's lifestyle due to opinions from fancy experts is some sort of moral choice.

For those of us who actually do believe in science, there's no morality to it. A stone cold fact doesn't require you to believe in it or not to be true.

If you're arguing in favor of scientific denial, you'd hardly be the first. Various religions have been doing it for millennia. But I can't sit here and say I think dismissing the considered opinions of hundreds of thousands of scientists is something folks ought to be doing out of hand.

The population of the planet has more than doubled since 1950, and it'll have increased fivefold by 2150. I can't see how any rational person would believe that hasn't drastically affected what's happening to our air, water and other resources.

Folks can stick their heads in the sand all they want. And given the lack of courage on the part of our elected representatives, I doubt much will be done to stop the runaway effects of CO2 in the system. Personally, I'm having a storm shelter put in - the warmer weather here on the edge of the band between cold and warm systems in the southern U.S. is spawning more and increasingly violent tornadoes. I'm not looking forward to the food and material shortages that'll begin to crop up once the temperature in the Midwest and elsewhere starts to rise in earnest.

[63falcon]

So, I guess this means you won't be wanting any recipes or a card. But if you change yer mind, let me know!
Peace.

[Divemistress of the Dark]

?? I don't take political discussions I have online personally. Sorry you're choosing to take what I thought was a friendly conversation as something more.

I remember thinking this would be a problem back when folks threw our 'no politics on SC.net' tradition out the window back in 2008, but I figure if others have the right to their opinion, so do I.

Peace back atcha. Dive

[63falcon]

Good, that is great, I don't either. I had mis-interpreted youresponses......here in OH, folks on either side of it go to their corners and Molly barr the door! Folks sever friendships over this stuff. Its a pity.
But if you want a recipe (no squirrel in ingred. list, promise! ) , get on the nutter list. I have had last tears emailed, and I do have the add-ons and changed ones, can't remeber if you were on last years, and I have not read over to compile yet.......that what this weekend's for! Well, after my oldest boy-that-I-helped-raise has his 16th birthday, get off the roads, folks!!!