One of Stewart's old cars for sale on ebay!!!!

Re: I remember this vehicle

Postby smax on 10 Mar 2009 21:42

[quote="smudge"]

You need to think this through Smax. People are going to ask you,

'Smax, why on earth have you bought an enormous, 20 year old, BMW estate car with a leaky sun roof, in an unfashionable shade of green?'

Can you formulate an answer to that question that doesn't sound batshit crazy? :-)[/quote]

it would fit nicely on the drive or outside, no probs with parking, a big car would actually be handy for job thing transporting young hooligans around, the sunroof of my present car hasn't shut properly for about 15 months so i'm accustomed to the occasional wet left ear, s'only done 100K which is practically just 'run in' for a beemah........ but, of course, the true answer is that IT WAS FUCKIN' STEWART COPELAND'S CAR!!!!

how great would that be for the uk nutters copelaniversary in september?!?!

all of which is tempered slightly after early exploratary conversations have revealed that lex would remove my left bollock if i consider putting in a bid... but i've got a coupla days yet...
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Postby smudge on 10 Mar 2009 21:47

[quote="shyvixen"]I say buy the polo car smax!

:D[/quote]

If it was a Polo, I wouldn't be trying to talk the man out of it! :-)
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Re: I remember this vehicle

Postby DirtyMartini on 11 Mar 2009 01:21

[quote="smax"]all of which is tempered slightly after early exploratary conversations have revealed that lex would remove my left bollock if i consider putting in a bid... but i've got a coupla days yet...[/quote]

We're all going to miss your left bollock, smax.

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Re: I remember this vehicle

Postby njperry on 11 Mar 2009 01:21

[quote="smax"]all of which is tempered slightly after early exploratary conversations have revealed that lex would remove my left bollock if i consider putting in a bid... but i've got a coupla days yet...[/quote]

Well, samx, you have our moral support in this. Your on your own with the left bollock and your marital siutation. May not be worth it, but we will support you in all sorts of good feeling ways that don't require a real sacrifice on our part. :lol: So that is probably not much help.
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Postby sixteenlaps on 11 Mar 2009 01:54

do it smax, do it!
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Postby luddite lady on 11 Mar 2009 04:50

Smax, "Never Mind the Bollocks, Here's the Sexy Polo Car."

The mental image I have of smax driving around in a green Stewart Copeland polo car is like something right out of one of the weird dreams I have after consuming too much cheese and red wine at bedtime.
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Postby Dietmar on 11 Mar 2009 05:29

what I'm writing now might not be too popular

I would not bid on that car.

There's a line I'm trying not to cross, and that's the line between the musician / star + his professional equipment and the private person.

I would bid on items related to the musician's life but not on anything from the private person. Where does it end? Collecting tins from the garbage?

This might be only my highly subjective distinction what to collect and what not, but I wanted to let you know anyway (and I'm not writing because I'm in fact bidding myself and want to get rid of another competitor).

Do you need a car? Great, then buy it!
You don't need a car? What's the point, then?

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Postby TheEqualizer on 11 Mar 2009 05:48

I've wondered whether this has crossed the line into "Easter Egg"-type territory. I'm not sure why, but in my mind, I do not think this crosses the line. Why? I'm not sure. I think that is up to each individual to decide. But I also certainly see how one could construe this as crossing the line.

Just to be clear, I do not think D is wrong for stating his opinion on this matter. In fact, I think he brings up a good point that this may be nibbling at the line of "Easter Egg"-dom if not actually crossing over.

Why am I saying all this? Not sure. I am curious as to what others think makes something "cross the line." Is it if the item has nothing to do with STEWART's music and is totally something in his personal life? I'm not sure myself. I just go with my gut.

By the way, the original reason I was going to post here was that I was surprised no one has made a George Costanza/ Jon Voigt reference yet. :)
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Postby Maud138 on 11 Mar 2009 07:52

Mmm I'm sure there is a line, but if it doesn't hurt anyone...
I love the man, so I would love to sit in his car.

Smax: there are no bids yet, maybe you can buy if for half the price, when the auction is over... (maybe your wife is oke with that?)
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Postby smax on 11 Mar 2009 10:53

hm, "crossing the line"?

valid points, and i think that going through someone's garbage is just odd and a few steps too far...

i don't think that buying this car is comparable to that for these reasons:

*) the car works and would be useful.
*) it's not disproportionately expensive.
*) it wasn't aquired nefariously / nicked and is in a public auction.

What if one of stewart's old kits was in a public auction? or the rack tom with "off" written on it? or a shirt that he'd worn onstage? :wink: or a shirt he'd worn off-stage?

on a related point, i am very attached to my left bollock.....
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Postby dafttart on 11 Mar 2009 11:59

[quote="smax"]

on a related point, i am very attached to my left bollock.....[/quote]


Now I know this may be a little presumptuous of me, but I'm guessing that you have a spare bollock? So what's the problem? Are you a man or a mouse?!!!!! :lol:

Get bidding and you can chauffeur the London Coven around in style (well a leaky green BMW!) for our Copelandiversary :D
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Postby Dietmar on 11 Mar 2009 12:31

"What if one of stewart's old kits was in a public auction? or the rack tom with "off" written on it? or a shirt that he'd worn onstage? or a shirt he'd worn off-stage? "

as I said anything related to The Police would be of interest (to me)
but the shirt worn off-stage wouldn't

not that I would tell you not to buy that car if you want to
that's just where I draw the line

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Postby animal on 11 Mar 2009 13:19

oohhh a great ethical debate..

hmmm I can see both sides. If you are in need of a set a wheels, and this fits the bill, I don't see it as a problem.

However if you are gettting the car / everday items(Non Police related), just because Stewart owned them / once touched them, then imho yes that gets into Creepy territory.
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Postby DirtyMartini on 11 Mar 2009 13:46

[quote="Dietmar"]
Do you need a car? Great, then buy it!
You don't need a car? What's the point, then?
[/quote]

That's my opinion as well. I'd only encourage buying that car if that car is useful as a car. If it works and is in decent shape, then the price (the starting bid, at least) is pretty nice for a car that'll get a person 'round regardless of the previous owners. The SC provenance just makes it a conversation piece as well. I spent a long day on the pitch enduring the Bangles and Mickie Free (oh.god.) with the Smaxes, and while Smax may be excitable, I trust him (and his wife's ability to smack him upside the head) to make conscious purchases.

As the line between fandom and ick goes, I personally agree with Dietmar's distinction between personal and professional. I'm very particular about that line on certain topics; that's why I won't post photos of the flag in Stewart's studio without express permission. As memorabilia goes, I tend to collect mostly things that I have a personal connection to, really; but in the broader sense, I would stick to items related to the public musician rather than the private individual. But I admit that there are times when the line between the two can get a bit blurry, particularly based on what the item itself is.

E.g., as many know, I own a pair of Stewart's drumming gloves. They're sitting in a big envelope on my bookshelf with ticket stubs and other sundry tour stuff (including a strange piece of carpet) that need to find a home. Truth be told, I've considered passing these gloves along quite a few times. Cuz to me they're kinda weird. What puts them into the kinda weird category for me is that they're a piece of clothing. A broken stick, a gong mallet, a busted drumhead -- those are gear. They're tools. They make the music. But clothing goes past my level of comfort between personal and public.

There's a whole precedent of framing winning jerseys, so I find the MSG t-shirt to be cool; because it was thrown by Stewart at the last show, there's a historical tie and even a personal connection as well. One could certainly argue that these gloves too are a tool that makes music; that's a valid angle. And they were used during a performance, so there's certainly a musical tie; but they weren't collected or thrown from the stage or a part of a historically significant event. They're of no practical value: I can't drive them to market or clean with them. They have no antique value or pedigree like an old book. They do nothing but exist as they are. They're a pair of gloves that came out of Stewart's dressing room. And because they couldn't be used again, they were headed for Stewart's trash -- so in a way, they are a tin headed for the garbage.

The one thing that stops me from getting rid of them is the fact that Brad handed them to me; they have a personal connection and a story attached, like my guest pass. Or like the old doorknob that I keep on my desk. Or the broken chopstick in my pencil cup. I got to exchange a couple of quick sentences with Stewart about them at Red Rocks. If these gloves didn't have that personal connection -- if they had been an item swiped from Stewart's dressing room -- I wouldn't have kept 'em, even though they were worn on stage. Were they a pair of Stewart's old mittens, I'd definitely not have them. While I appreciate and understand the thought behind the old Nike socks, I personally wouldn't want them either, even despite the Gateshead connection. I'd happily hang a cracked cymbal on the wall, but clothing is just more personal than I'm comfortable with.

Would I buy that car? If I were in the market for a cheap ride, maybe; it depends on what other options I had found. But while the SC connection would be funny and a quick, cheap thrill, I'd make the decision regardless of the car's background rather than because of it.
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Postby Divemistress of the Dark on 11 Mar 2009 15:55

Well, it's like what you said about the tattoo, DM. Something happened in your life that's sort of inextricably intertwined both with Stewart and with this community - but if you're going to memorialize it, it needs to be an image that carries some relevance for you personally.

Which is why I think you ought to frame the gloves! Maybe with some other ephemera like ticket stubs or pix you took on the Europe trip.

But then, I'm really (really) bad about keeping *anything* that has a sentimental attachment. I've still got the little glowstick necklace Gina gave me for Jones Beach. And a ton of other stuff.

[One of my personal challenges is organization. Read a great book lately, ("It's All Too Much: An Easy Plan for Living a Richer Life with Less Stuff" by Peter Walsh) about the item not necessarily being the same as the memory. One of the suggestions is for items like clothing, say your grandmother's wedding dress....cut a piece and frame it...just so it'll take up less room.

Will stop rambling now, but am pretty well always up for an organization discussion. I just ordered a clear set of drawers because I can't ever remember where I put things when I put them "away." Scrapbooking seems to work well for keeping up with ephemera, also...]
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