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So Lonely....Seattle Jun 7-Complete
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So Lonely....Seattle Jun 7-Complete
by Rapa Nui on 09 Jun 2007 15:02
FEDE - BUENOS AIRES - ARGENTINA
December 1- 2007-The police in BA!
December 1- 2007-The police in BA!
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by georgygirl on 09 Jun 2007 15:17
Great partners, good feeling and is the music I like to hear, even with new sounds.
Thanks for the link.
Thanks for the link.
Wildy Pelous!
¡Salvajilla Pelous!
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¡Salvajilla Pelous!
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by Wait and See on 09 Jun 2007 17:40
Pretty good. The stuff I've heard from Seattle is starting to sound like something recognizable.
For a little A-B comparison:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duXohSAjP2w
Getting pretty close...and I'm not talking about the arrangement, I'm talking about the level of playing. Nevertheless:
- Still a little slow.
- Sting's gotta get a pick. Not to put too fine of a point on it, but if you play bass that way, it's gonna sound like crap. No way around it.
- Stewart doesn't quite have the hi-hat nimbleness and machine gun snare he used to. Wonder if that's a conscious decision to be less "busy", or if it's rust. Probably getting tired by the end of the show, too.
I know people love it when I do this, but I gotta be honest.
For a little A-B comparison:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duXohSAjP2w
Getting pretty close...and I'm not talking about the arrangement, I'm talking about the level of playing. Nevertheless:
- Still a little slow.
- Sting's gotta get a pick. Not to put too fine of a point on it, but if you play bass that way, it's gonna sound like crap. No way around it.
- Stewart doesn't quite have the hi-hat nimbleness and machine gun snare he used to. Wonder if that's a conscious decision to be less "busy", or if it's rust. Probably getting tired by the end of the show, too.
I know people love it when I do this, but I gotta be honest.
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by Divemistress of the Dark on 10 Jun 2007 01:02
Mike Watt doesn't use a pick. And he is A*W*E*S*O*M*E.
On Google - site:stewartcopeland.net "your keyword here" - thanks DM!!
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by alex on 10 Jun 2007 04:05
Thanks for the link! And my alltime favorite song as well, really thanks. A note to Sting.... and I mean no disrespect. I have always thought you were brilliant on your own. Seen more than one show, in the second row, but you will never find a guitarist who will ever challenge Andy's imagination. That's not to say Andy is the best in the world, he's just the best for you. Andy is in the top 5 worldwide though. I had to add that. What a georgous solo in this song. That's the difference between Dominic and Andy. In the studio, I'd say that you could present a case for Dominic, he is very proficiant. But his live version imitates his studio work. To me, it makes no difference if I'm listening to a concert, or the cd.
Stewart? Well Sting and Stewart were always my favorites, but still, you can't replace a Stewart Copeland. In fact my memory of Sting drummers is limited to Omar Hakim, and that guy with the glasses... Vinnie Colutia (sp) I always keep taking him for Max Weinberg. This song proves that you can't find a drummer 25 years younger that can handle what Stewart does. Forget your ages for a moment, even today, bands are afraid to play your music, because no one can do what Stewart does. Anyhoo, I might just be overly nostalgic over the song posted here, it certainly made my week.
Stewart? Well Sting and Stewart were always my favorites, but still, you can't replace a Stewart Copeland. In fact my memory of Sting drummers is limited to Omar Hakim, and that guy with the glasses... Vinnie Colutia (sp) I always keep taking him for Max Weinberg. This song proves that you can't find a drummer 25 years younger that can handle what Stewart does. Forget your ages for a moment, even today, bands are afraid to play your music, because no one can do what Stewart does. Anyhoo, I might just be overly nostalgic over the song posted here, it certainly made my week.
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by Wait and See on 10 Jun 2007 08:53
>>>Mike Watt doesn't use a pick. And he is A*W*E*S*O*M*E.<<<
I guess maybe what I mean isn't clear if you don't have some knowledge of bass technique. Here's a picture of proper right hand technique for bass guitar:
http://www.dummies.com/WileyCDA/Dummies ... -2167.html
Here are couple of pictures of Sting playing bass with his fingers:
http://www.geocities.com/bourbonstreet/5646/bass.jpg
http://www.ukmix.org/images/2000/sting03.gif
I'm guessing Sting probably started out on guitar, switched to bass and never learned the proper technique--which is why he always used a pick in the past. The way he plays now looks as if he hasn't changed his hand position much, just got rid of the pick. He's kind of "pinching" the strings with his thumb and forefinger, almost like you would finger pick an acoustic guitar. That is going to create a muted and muddy sound, and it's going to reduce your attack and accuracy.
In other words, playing with your fingers the way it's shown in the first link is the "preferred" way to play bass. That's the way most bass players do it. Using a pick is more common with speed metal type players, and was pretty common in punk rock. It creates more of a "growling" sound with more string noise, and probably lets you play faster than you could with your fingers unless you have insane skills. There is also a thumb slapping method commonly used in funk, but that's not what Sting is doing. I've never seen anybody play the way he does, and I think it's hindering his playing and his sound.
I guess maybe what I mean isn't clear if you don't have some knowledge of bass technique. Here's a picture of proper right hand technique for bass guitar:
http://www.dummies.com/WileyCDA/Dummies ... -2167.html
Here are couple of pictures of Sting playing bass with his fingers:
http://www.geocities.com/bourbonstreet/5646/bass.jpg
http://www.ukmix.org/images/2000/sting03.gif
I'm guessing Sting probably started out on guitar, switched to bass and never learned the proper technique--which is why he always used a pick in the past. The way he plays now looks as if he hasn't changed his hand position much, just got rid of the pick. He's kind of "pinching" the strings with his thumb and forefinger, almost like you would finger pick an acoustic guitar. That is going to create a muted and muddy sound, and it's going to reduce your attack and accuracy.
In other words, playing with your fingers the way it's shown in the first link is the "preferred" way to play bass. That's the way most bass players do it. Using a pick is more common with speed metal type players, and was pretty common in punk rock. It creates more of a "growling" sound with more string noise, and probably lets you play faster than you could with your fingers unless you have insane skills. There is also a thumb slapping method commonly used in funk, but that's not what Sting is doing. I've never seen anybody play the way he does, and I think it's hindering his playing and his sound.
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by Wait and See on 10 Jun 2007 09:33
Well, he's never been hailed as the world's greatest bass player to begin with. He did come up with solid parts and had reasonably good feel back in the day, especially considering he was singing. The way he's doing it now isn't working, IMO. If you have an opportunity to pick up a bass and try it, you'll be able to hear the difference.
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by Monz on 10 Jun 2007 09:41
[quote="Wait and See"]Pretty good. The stuff I've heard from Seattle is starting to sound like something recognizable.
- Still a little slow.
- Sting's gotta get a pick. Not to put too fine of a point on it, but if you play bass that way, it's gonna sound like crap. No way around it.
- Stewart doesn't quite have the hi-hat nimbleness and machine gun snare he used to. Wonder if that's a conscious decision to be less "busy", or if it's rust. Probably getting tired by the end of the show, too.
I know people love it when I do this, but I gotta be honest.[/quote]
Yeah, You took the words out of my mouth
Glad they'd choose to do a [i]warm-up[/i] tour in the States, before hitting Europe (just kidding!)
Even in his younger days, Stewart was a litlle rusty at the beginning of a tour, so (hopefully) he hasen't peaked yet..
I don't think Stewart running out of steam, due to a 1½-2 hour show, just listen to some live stuff from Oysterhead or the Gizmo tour!
- Still a little slow.
- Sting's gotta get a pick. Not to put too fine of a point on it, but if you play bass that way, it's gonna sound like crap. No way around it.
- Stewart doesn't quite have the hi-hat nimbleness and machine gun snare he used to. Wonder if that's a conscious decision to be less "busy", or if it's rust. Probably getting tired by the end of the show, too.
I know people love it when I do this, but I gotta be honest.[/quote]
Yeah, You took the words out of my mouth
Glad they'd choose to do a [i]warm-up[/i] tour in the States, before hitting Europe (just kidding!)
Even in his younger days, Stewart was a litlle rusty at the beginning of a tour, so (hopefully) he hasen't peaked yet..
I don't think Stewart running out of steam, due to a 1½-2 hour show, just listen to some live stuff from Oysterhead or the Gizmo tour!
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by New Zealand Promoter on 10 Jun 2007 10:38
*Any one still doubting about this pick business?*
1. Listen to 'Synch II' live from 1983.
2. Listen to 'Synch II' live from one of the latest shows.
Unless you are going a little deaf, you will note that the way Sting is playing this song without a pick creates a needlessly plodding bass sound, in which he hits an octave note on the "and" between notes every couple of bars or so. The song does sound a lot better with tight 8th's hit with a pick on a single note. I hate to say it this way, as a fact rather than an opinion.... but i'm feeling snippy and it's true. It sounds better when Sting uses a pick. Fact.
1. Listen to 'Synch II' live from 1983.
2. Listen to 'Synch II' live from one of the latest shows.
Unless you are going a little deaf, you will note that the way Sting is playing this song without a pick creates a needlessly plodding bass sound, in which he hits an octave note on the "and" between notes every couple of bars or so. The song does sound a lot better with tight 8th's hit with a pick on a single note. I hate to say it this way, as a fact rather than an opinion.... but i'm feeling snippy and it's true. It sounds better when Sting uses a pick. Fact.
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by New Zealand Promoter on 10 Jun 2007 12:15
well, it's not really 'music theory'. it's basic technique.
for a lot of songs, you'll notice that Sting's finger work suits being, well, finger-work and not pick. but for songs in which there's a throbbing bassline which at a relatively fast pace, like 'Synch II', you'll hear a strong difference. give us all the shit you want - hang it baby! some friendly piss-taking is always welcome - but seriously, listen to the version as i've suggested. you'll see (hear) what i mean. you don't have to know your 'music theory' to hear the difference.
You'd notice if Stewart started playing with cotton wool wrapped around the ends of his drumsticks, wouldn't you? Same principle....
for a lot of songs, you'll notice that Sting's finger work suits being, well, finger-work and not pick. but for songs in which there's a throbbing bassline which at a relatively fast pace, like 'Synch II', you'll hear a strong difference. give us all the shit you want - hang it baby! some friendly piss-taking is always welcome - but seriously, listen to the version as i've suggested. you'll see (hear) what i mean. you don't have to know your 'music theory' to hear the difference.
You'd notice if Stewart started playing with cotton wool wrapped around the ends of his drumsticks, wouldn't you? Same principle....
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