It's good that she got care, but this might have been something just lurking and waiting to spring. Think about all the times you've smashed your head and nothing happened. I've had stitches in my head 3 times. Always good to get checked out after a head injury though.
Big hugs to DM on this... sorry it's such a personal memory honey.
OT: Natasha Richardson's accident...
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by DirtyMartini on 19 Mar 2009 14:00
Gah, sorry. Thanks for the thoughts, everyone. A lot of folks here have lost loved ones and in painful ways; I ain't special. I just happen to be familiar with this particular song. Haven't sung it in a long time, the lyrics are slightly modified, but the melody's ingrained. Triggered some of my damage.
Love and hugs to you all. And please be careful: sometimes a headache isn't just a headache.
Love and hugs to you all. And please be careful: sometimes a headache isn't just a headache.
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by Divemistress of the Dark on 19 Mar 2009 18:16
Yep, I think I may go re-watch 'Handmaid's Tale' at some point this week.
No need to explicate, DM. You know you're among friends here; this thread is a perfectly appropriate venue for you to talk about your schtuff, given the subject - and if you want to. ((kisses))
No need to explicate, DM. You know you're among friends here; this thread is a perfectly appropriate venue for you to talk about your schtuff, given the subject - and if you want to. ((kisses))
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by Tamadude on 19 Mar 2009 18:40
This is really sad. More so because it was preventable.
I've had dozens of high speed bails throughout the years. Luckily nothing serious happened. I was a skier from 1980-1994, then switched to boarding ever since. I've been wearing a helmet for 10 years now. There was (and still is) a stigma attached to helmets. Some people still think it's not "cool" to wear one. Kids coming up still hate them, giving stupid reasons why they don't. Let's not even talk about skateboarders. Street skaters will never wear them. I cringe every time I see a kid with their helmet attached to their waist, bombing down the run.
When I tell people about why I wear a helmet I give these reasons: it's warmer than a toque and protects you from the elements better, it doesn't give you "forehead itch", it helps to keep your goggles fog free, and oh ya, there's those safety qualities as well. As Natasha's accident sadly shows, you don't need to be going very fast to have dire consequences. Sonny Bono and Michael Kennedy would probably have survived had they been wearing helmets.
Fortunately, more and more people are donning helmets these days, and less people are dying because of it. New designs are looking much "cooler" than they used to, are less expensive, and more kids are using them now. My kids (4&7) use them even just to ride scooters.
RIP Natasha Richradson.
I've had dozens of high speed bails throughout the years. Luckily nothing serious happened. I was a skier from 1980-1994, then switched to boarding ever since. I've been wearing a helmet for 10 years now. There was (and still is) a stigma attached to helmets. Some people still think it's not "cool" to wear one. Kids coming up still hate them, giving stupid reasons why they don't. Let's not even talk about skateboarders. Street skaters will never wear them. I cringe every time I see a kid with their helmet attached to their waist, bombing down the run.
When I tell people about why I wear a helmet I give these reasons: it's warmer than a toque and protects you from the elements better, it doesn't give you "forehead itch", it helps to keep your goggles fog free, and oh ya, there's those safety qualities as well. As Natasha's accident sadly shows, you don't need to be going very fast to have dire consequences. Sonny Bono and Michael Kennedy would probably have survived had they been wearing helmets.
Fortunately, more and more people are donning helmets these days, and less people are dying because of it. New designs are looking much "cooler" than they used to, are less expensive, and more kids are using them now. My kids (4&7) use them even just to ride scooters.
RIP Natasha Richradson.
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by 63falcon on 19 Mar 2009 18:56
[quote="DirtyMartini"]I've been watching this since yesterday. The whole thing hits really close to home for me, from the brain injury and bleeding to the two kids and a husband getting on planes to rush to say goodbye to an empty shell. No warning, no previous health issues, no real goodbye. Just an ugly, unfair, abrupt end for someone who probably deserved better. I was one of those kids.
But god, at least I was older than her kids are. I don't know much about Richardson, but I am really feeling for her family right now.[/quote]
Wow, DM! One of my cousins died, in hosp., four days after giving birth to her fifth child, and my boyfriend at the time had just lost one his sisters to a personal tragedy, and she left a 7 yr old and a 2 month old. Both of these situations have ripples that spread and still continue to affect folks. So, have seen some of how this is for the children most of all. There is no way to understand how the shoes feel tho'.
I've said a prayer or two for Liam and their boys.
But god, at least I was older than her kids are. I don't know much about Richardson, but I am really feeling for her family right now.[/quote]
Wow, DM! One of my cousins died, in hosp., four days after giving birth to her fifth child, and my boyfriend at the time had just lost one his sisters to a personal tragedy, and she left a 7 yr old and a 2 month old. Both of these situations have ripples that spread and still continue to affect folks. So, have seen some of how this is for the children most of all. There is no way to understand how the shoes feel tho'.
I've said a prayer or two for Liam and their boys.
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by policerule on 19 Mar 2009 19:00
Looks like the cause of death was officially an Epidural Hematoma.
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by Divemistress of the Dark on 19 Mar 2009 19:01
[quote]As Natasha's accident sadly shows, you don't need to be going very fast to have dire consequences. Sonny Bono and Michael Kennedy would probably have survived had they been wearing helmets. [/quote]
(and people make fun of me for cowering in the hallway wearing my bike helmet during tornado season...
Actually - for real - most tornado victims also die of head injuries. I know it sounds crazy, but hell - why not do whatever you can?)
(and people make fun of me for cowering in the hallway wearing my bike helmet during tornado season...
Actually - for real - most tornado victims also die of head injuries. I know it sounds crazy, but hell - why not do whatever you can?)
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by policerule on 19 Mar 2009 19:09
[quote="Divemistress of the Dark"]
(and people make fun of me for cowering in the hallway wearing my bike helmet during tornado season...[/quote]
Now, you know that visual is too funny to not laugh... especially when you add in the cats.
(and people make fun of me for cowering in the hallway wearing my bike helmet during tornado season...
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Now, you know that visual is too funny to not laugh... especially when you add in the cats.
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by conroy on 20 Mar 2009 02:26
[quote="Divemistress of the Dark"][quote]As Natasha's accident sadly shows, you don't need to be going very fast to have dire consequences. Sonny Bono and Michael Kennedy would probably have survived had they been wearing helmets. [/quote]
(and people make fun of me for cowering in the hallway wearing my bike helmet during tornado season...;)
Actually - for real - most tornado victims also die of head injuries. I know it sounds crazy, but hell - why not do whatever you can?)[/quote]
I've been wondering for the past few days if a study has ever been done to determine the percentage of traffic accident deaths as a direct result of traumatic head injuries. Maybe everyone inside a moving vehicle should be wearing one as well.
(and people make fun of me for cowering in the hallway wearing my bike helmet during tornado season...;)
Actually - for real - most tornado victims also die of head injuries. I know it sounds crazy, but hell - why not do whatever you can?)[/quote]
I've been wondering for the past few days if a study has ever been done to determine the percentage of traffic accident deaths as a direct result of traumatic head injuries. Maybe everyone inside a moving vehicle should be wearing one as well.
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by Divemistress of the Dark on 20 Mar 2009 18:07
Yeah. Mr D and I just keep wondering what on earth you could do to yourself on a green slope, other than hitting a stationary object, that would kill you.
Hell, you really have to *expect* to fall down a bunch of times when learning to ski.
On the helmet topic...what I really ought to do is have one of those storm rooms bolted to the foundation of the house. We have another spring like we had two or so years ago, and I'm seriously gonna look into it. (This whole area is built on limestone and virtually nobody has a basement.) Maybe it hits home for me b/c I grew up in Kansas....but seriously, tornadoes are nothing to screw with. I remember seeing a little town near where I grew up a day or two after an F3 hit it. Looked like an atom bomb had leveled the place.
I can't believe yabbos go out in cars to chase after them, or worse, stand in the yard and point: "Hey ma, look at the twister!"
Hell, you really have to *expect* to fall down a bunch of times when learning to ski.
On the helmet topic...what I really ought to do is have one of those storm rooms bolted to the foundation of the house. We have another spring like we had two or so years ago, and I'm seriously gonna look into it. (This whole area is built on limestone and virtually nobody has a basement.) Maybe it hits home for me b/c I grew up in Kansas....but seriously, tornadoes are nothing to screw with. I remember seeing a little town near where I grew up a day or two after an F3 hit it. Looked like an atom bomb had leveled the place.
I can't believe yabbos go out in cars to chase after them, or worse, stand in the yard and point: "Hey ma, look at the twister!"
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by Rusty James on 20 Mar 2009 19:36
[quote="Tamadude"]This is really sad. More so because it was preventable....Let's not even talk about skateboarders. Street skaters will never wear them. I cringe every time I see a kid with their helmet attached to their waist, bombing down the run....
RIP Natasha Richradson.
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Very tragic indeed. Tamadude’s absolutely right about the stigma attached to helmets. So here’s an ex-skater’s take on this: back in my skatepunk days nobody at the local skatepark wore a helmet because it didn’t look very cool – sad but true – still. Public facilities like this cannot be patrolled or enforced as the resources to do so are not there because of the associated costs. It’s up to the user to employ common sense and wear the appropriate safety equipment, even if you think it makes you look like a dork (these days I don’t concern myself with getting helmet-head ‘cause there ain’t much left up there to worry about!).
After the Expo 86 Transworld Skateboard competition was over, the gigantic halfpipe the pros were using was dismantled and set up in a privately owned warehouse that charged us to use it. Helmets and all safety equipment was mandatory or your membership was voided immediately. I slammed hard on a few occasions and was very thankful my noggin was protected as I could have faced a similar predicament. That ramp was dangerous at the best of times and demanded absolute respect from the user.
Nearly 25 years later there are now dozens of skateparks and each year there is at least one serious incident of a head related injury causing what would appear to have been a preventable death of a young person.
RIP Natasha
PS: Nice avi Tamadude, shredding on the mountain! I miss those days.
RIP Natasha Richradson.
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Very tragic indeed. Tamadude’s absolutely right about the stigma attached to helmets. So here’s an ex-skater’s take on this: back in my skatepunk days nobody at the local skatepark wore a helmet because it didn’t look very cool – sad but true – still. Public facilities like this cannot be patrolled or enforced as the resources to do so are not there because of the associated costs. It’s up to the user to employ common sense and wear the appropriate safety equipment, even if you think it makes you look like a dork (these days I don’t concern myself with getting helmet-head ‘cause there ain’t much left up there to worry about!).
After the Expo 86 Transworld Skateboard competition was over, the gigantic halfpipe the pros were using was dismantled and set up in a privately owned warehouse that charged us to use it. Helmets and all safety equipment was mandatory or your membership was voided immediately. I slammed hard on a few occasions and was very thankful my noggin was protected as I could have faced a similar predicament. That ramp was dangerous at the best of times and demanded absolute respect from the user.
Nearly 25 years later there are now dozens of skateparks and each year there is at least one serious incident of a head related injury causing what would appear to have been a preventable death of a young person.
RIP Natasha
PS: Nice avi Tamadude, shredding on the mountain! I miss those days.
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by luddite lady on 21 Mar 2009 05:16
Let me just say thanks to all of you, especially Tamadude, for your sage advice. It may have saved a life today. Let me explain...
The kids and I are on our spring break and we had originally intended to go to Mont Tremblant for the week for some skiing and boarding. This is the very place where Natasha had her accident. Anyway, due to finances and other concerns we nixed those plans and ended up doing a one day ski trip North of Toronto. That was today, or actually yesterday now. We've done a bit of skiing/boarding but none of us have advanced much beyond beginners. For the first time I insisted that we all wear helmets. Aside from this tragic news, I have heard of two kids in my area dying from brain injuries incurred from accidents on school ski trips this winter. Despite all this, my fashionista daughter, Dancerina, was reluctant but ended up complying. At one point in the day, Dancerina slipped just as she was getting on the chair lift and fell below it. She's very tall and though she tried to duck the chair hit her squarely on the back of her head. Even with the helmet, she was kind of shook up and head achey. I don't want to think about what would have happened if she had been without a helmet, like all the other times she's been skiing. Now, she's talking about buying her own helmet at the end of season sales so that she won't pay for rentals next year. She vows to never go on a ski slope without a helmet again.
And that Dive, is one of the many ways you can hurt yourself on a beginners' hill. What's more, spring skiing can be treacherous and, as I discovered today, not a good time for beginners to learn. I don't know if the conditions are much better at Mont Tremblant, but where I was today was like one giant snow cone. Sliding down a hill of ice pellets might be great fun for the seasoned veterans, but it's freakin' scary for a relative newbie like me.
Any how, now's the time to get ski helmets on the cheap. So folks, run, don't walk, to your nearest sporting goods store and get yourself all safetied up for next season.
And THANKS again gang!
The kids and I are on our spring break and we had originally intended to go to Mont Tremblant for the week for some skiing and boarding. This is the very place where Natasha had her accident. Anyway, due to finances and other concerns we nixed those plans and ended up doing a one day ski trip North of Toronto. That was today, or actually yesterday now. We've done a bit of skiing/boarding but none of us have advanced much beyond beginners. For the first time I insisted that we all wear helmets. Aside from this tragic news, I have heard of two kids in my area dying from brain injuries incurred from accidents on school ski trips this winter. Despite all this, my fashionista daughter, Dancerina, was reluctant but ended up complying. At one point in the day, Dancerina slipped just as she was getting on the chair lift and fell below it. She's very tall and though she tried to duck the chair hit her squarely on the back of her head. Even with the helmet, she was kind of shook up and head achey. I don't want to think about what would have happened if she had been without a helmet, like all the other times she's been skiing. Now, she's talking about buying her own helmet at the end of season sales so that she won't pay for rentals next year. She vows to never go on a ski slope without a helmet again.
And that Dive, is one of the many ways you can hurt yourself on a beginners' hill. What's more, spring skiing can be treacherous and, as I discovered today, not a good time for beginners to learn. I don't know if the conditions are much better at Mont Tremblant, but where I was today was like one giant snow cone. Sliding down a hill of ice pellets might be great fun for the seasoned veterans, but it's freakin' scary for a relative newbie like me.
Any how, now's the time to get ski helmets on the cheap. So folks, run, don't walk, to your nearest sporting goods store and get yourself all safetied up for next season.
And THANKS again gang!
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