WHY ARE THERE NO NEW POLICE CD / DVD RELEASES?

[sockii]

And people said all sorts of shit about what went on during the Police tour negotiations, which I put about as much merit on as anything said about the Genesis tour negotiations.

And it really means fuck-all to me anyway. I like the band, I don't follow them as religiously as the Police by any stretch of the imagination but am damned pleased to get the chance to hear them this year, Gabriel or not (and honestly, a Gabriel-led Genesis would have much more limited appeal to the world audience than later-era. I enjoy them both to an extent but can be practical-minded about it as well. I could see a one-off show with Gabriel, maybe, but no way a grand world tour. The market just isn't there for it.)

Whatever I do or don't believe about Phil--or Sting for that matter--has no bearing on whether I can enjoy them in concert or not. And really, "Trick of the Tail" is as fine of an album as anything Gabriel-era IMHO and about as far from "sap" as you can get. But I suppose it's not worth the effort of even mentioning when some opinions are clearly set in stone already.

[TheEqualizer]

I would have been stunned if PG agreed to tour with Genesis. He is just so past that phase in his career.

[sockii]

[quote="TheEqualizer"]I would have been stunned if PG agreed to tour with Genesis. He is just so past that phase in his career.[/quote]

I do kind of wonder what is up with him anymore, though. "Up" was good but kind of...meandering might be one way of putting it. I just don't feel his work has had the same focus or clarity since "So".

(And I can't help but be shallow and wonder WTF happened to his looks. I know he's gotten older and all, but my god...everytime I see him these days I just am reminded of the Travelocity Roaming Gnome... )

[thedaner]

[quote="Kalypso.Kent.com"]Daner, my 2nd concert ever (I was a pre-teen or 13 or something) was the Selling England by the Pound tour. It was pure magic. It was amazing. I have all the Genesis records until The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway.
I cannot tell you what was my reaction to A trick of the tail because we don't have the appropriate icon.

If PG was with them, I would have gone to their concert. But I had no doubt that he would say no. [/quote]

Probably something resembling a middle finger?

[Kalypso.Kent.com]

[quote="sockii"]But I suppose it's not worth the effort of even mentioning when some opinions are clearly set in stone already.[/quote]

Exactly. Yours are as set in stone as anybody else's. Total projection.
If you don't like my opinions, or the way I express them, tough.
Because I have a damn right to them as you have right to express yours. Hey you can like Barbie Girl for what I care. If it makes you happy, it's clearly good for you. I can be perplexed about somebody who appreciates Copeland so much liking such different music, but hey, live and let live and whatever floats your boat, Sockii. You won't get any ass-kissing from me. There is a tad too much of it here. That, and only that, is the con of this board.
Music is very personal and evokes personal experiences and feelings. And if you are Italian, you know that we love to express our feelings, not hiding them under "it's fine- I'm fine" when fine does not mean shit.

Being commercial and more marketable does not necessarily mean better music. Not at all. We all know this, right? And PG had a wonderful solo career and has sold a shitload of records without having to to Invisible Touch or Against All Odds.

If this post seems too harsh to any of you delicate souls, just know that I just learned that my mother just told me that she had recurrence after 1 year of being cancer-free, and I had to lock my feelings while talking to her and now I feel like throwing some chairs around or smashing pumpkins with baseball bats.

[thedaner]

[quote="sockii"]
I do kind of wonder what is up with him anymore, though. "Up" was good but kind of...meandering might be one way of putting it. I just don't feel his work has had the same focus or clarity since "So".

(And I can't help but be shallow and wonder WTF happened to his looks. I know he's gotten older and all, but my god...everytime I see him these days I just am reminded of the Travelocity Roaming Gnome... )[/quote]

I think when one takes more than 10 years to put an album out, it's not going to be stunning. "Up" had minor moments, but he needs to get off his gnome-like ass and put out content a little more frequently.

From a marketing standpoint I totally agree that a Gabriel-led Genesis would not be good for a world tour. Definitely a one-off and I'd still go see it. The Collins-led Genesis is defintely more commercial.

Yeah, some other rock stars have aged gracefully. Gabriel is not one of them. Same with Billy Joel.

[sockii]

[quote="thedaner"]
I think when one takes more than 10 years to put an album out, it's not going to be stunning. "Up" had minor moments, but he needs to get off his gnome-like ass and put out content a little more frequently.[/quote]

Agreed! I definitely think that was part of the issue--sometimes you can overthink and overwork something until it loses the original freshness of thought and idea. I think he's definitely a genius and a talent in many ways but can get a bit lost in the mire--as many artists can--without the real drive or push to keep new material coming and with some frequency.

[quote]
Yeah, some other rock stars have aged gracefully. Gabriel is not one of them. Same with Billy Joel.[/quote]

Oh yeah...though I can't say Billy was ever truly much to look at to begin with!

[thedaner]

Not to mention we were supposed to see a new album 18 months after "Up." Guess that translates into 15 years or so.

Yes Billy Joel is not a looker, but have you seen him lately? I think he dines with PG frequently. Sheesh.

Now, our boys currently on tour: they have all aged very well. Amazing. Can't believe Andy is going to be 65 next year and he's ONLY begun to look a little older and with a bit of a paunch. And I say that lightly because he looks like he's 50 or younger.

[Krokodyle]

The Genesis CDs are being produced by TheMusic.com, and the basic 2CD sets run $30 per show. Of course, they have fancier/more complete versions available, for more money, but at $30 I'd certainly buy it. And this price/arrangement is done *outside* of their record label association, but I would imagine there is some sort of licensing agreement/payment.

In any case, there's no use getting upset about this specific "what if". The Police could have done it, and chose not to. It's not like they weren't approached to do so, or were unaware of it.

As far as the band itself, I'm a huge Genesis fan, primarily early 70s material (with Peter Gabriel), and some later material (up to 1986 or so). Being able to download live material over the past few years has greatly increased my appreciation of them. I'm also a Peter Gabriel fan, not so much his later work, but still I wouldn't pass up a chance to see him. Or Genesis, to be honest, but not at their current prices. If I come across some decently priced tickets (they are in my area in October) I may see them, but otherwise it's not in my budget.

Both Peter and Genesis have their good points, and their bad points. Both have made some questionable decisions, artistically and personal, but hey--it's their lives and they can do as they see fit.

[TheEqualizer]

Do the sales of the Genesis tour CDs and DVDs benefit charity?
The fact that the proceeds of the ones sold by the Who went to charity made the cost much more palatable to me.

[sockii]

>The Genesis CDs are being produced by TheMusic.com, and the
> basic 2CD sets run $30 per show. Of course, they have fancier/more
>complete versions available, for more money, but at $30 I'd certainly
>buy it.

Yeah, see, my thing is I might pay that once--or twice--for a couple shows on a tour. But then I wouldn't get to enjoy hearing all the nuances of how the show changed night to night like you can with free downloading.

>If I come across some decently priced tickets (they are in my area in
>October) I may see them, but otherwise it's not in my budget.

I only bought the $70 tickets, since I don't really care about getting up close for this show, just wanted to see it once.

>Both Peter and Genesis have their good points, and their bad points.
>Both have made some questionable decisions, artistically and personal,
>but hey--it's their lives and they can do as they see fit.

Excellently put!

[New Zealand Promoter]

right, so getting back to the police - my point is that the genesis camp have actually done a thing called PLANNING and another called MARKETING and another thing called WORKING to release not just 2007 recordings but classic material, in preparation for the tour. the police camp had since fucking november last year to get their lame-asses into gear, and what do they come up with? A fucking greatest hits cd with some album tracks thrown in. absolutely pathetic. this is my point. obviously one label here has their thinking caps on, and is more fan-friendly - the other is as tight and clenched up a.... well, you can think of the appropriate image.

god, you would think that with the tour coming up, management would come up with some at least obvious shit to sell at the merch stands - 'around the world' dvd, for example - christ, 'outlandos to synch' dvd - that's a no brainer - and yet - wet greatest hits mk III. bloody hell. someone needs to wake up at the wheel.

[Kalypso.Kent.com]

BRING BACK UNCLE MILES!!!!!

[Krokodyle]

[quote="tj7"]and another thing called WORKING to release not just 2007 recordings but classic material, in preparation for the tour.[/quote]

TJ7 is correct, Genesis had been working on pretty spectacular reissues of all of their old catalog, and got them out in time. And there were more reissues than The Police, and they pulled it together. The Genesis reissues are pretty awesome, they include rare tracks and DVD-video tracks & shows, as well as SACD issues of some of the CDs. Granted, it did take a while to do so, they were in the works for years (literally) before the tour announcement (our beloved Mr. Gabriel had a hand in some of the delays). And this doesn't include the ongoing work on releasing some soundboard live shows that their vaults are FULL of...

For some inexplicable reason, The Police really dropped the ball on providing people with the option of buying CDs of their performances, which really involves LITTLE in the way of pre-planning. They could have set this up, even with the pre-tour craziness, with a minimum of involvement. But, no.

>> But then I wouldn't get to enjoy hearing all the nuances of how the show changed night to night like you can with free downloading.

I'll take soundboard material anytime. Or at least the option to buy it if I want to. Even the BEST boots of this tour are, so far, "decent" at best. $30 for to eliminate babbling idiots on a recording is a small price to pay, at least for me. I can understand the appeal of free torrents though.

>> Do the sales of the Genesis tour CDs and DVDs benefit charity?
I'm not sure if that's the way it's set up for the Genesis discs.

>> Can't believe Andy is going to be 65 next year and he's ONLY begun to look a little older and with a bit of a paunch. And I say that lightly because he looks like he's 50 or younger.

Well, he has trimmed up a LOT from a few years ago. Remember that Hall of Fame 2003 performance? He had a bit of a tum-tum then, one that has pretty much gone away for this tour. I would imagine by the end of this tour he'll lose even more weight

[Kalypso.Kent.com]

It's really a crying shame for how this tour has been managed. But, you know, James Blunt has a great entourage and management too, who has timed his second release and possible tour to perfection. That does not make his music less crappy, but it puts other organizations to shame.

Which makes one even angrier, because The Police is the greatest band ever with the Beatles and the Who.