Stewart snubbed by Modern Drummer

[BongoBoy]

Phhhhhhth !

Stewarts left hand alone should have made #32 !




(I don't like whom-ever created the list, (where's Carlton Barrett The Wailers?)

Cheers.

[conroy]

I noticed that issue was on sale at my local Borders at the same time as the issue of Drum magazine that featured Stewart on the cover. I don't know if there's any correlation between the two.

[GinaSuperCat]

[quote="BongoBoy"]Phhhhhhth !

Stewarts left hand alone should have made #32 !

Cheers.[/quote]

YYEESSSSSSSSSSS! For the whip-crack snare, alone...

I do suppose that this would qualify for the dictionary entry under "preaching to the choir," though <grin>

[neonhunter]

With all due respect to Steve Smith, I think it's Stewie over him, if not a couple more. Oh, well.....How many Modern Drummer covers does Stewart have, anyway? He had one just last year.......And who else on the list vaulted back to such a high global profile, ability intact, after a 23-year "change?" (Definitely wasn't a layoff)

[Laz]

I generally don't give too much weight to "best of" lists... there's ALWAYS bound to be someone missing...

From a jazz drumming perspective, as comprehensive as this list is in terms of important jazz drummers, Louis Bellson and Joe Morello have been already mentioned as missing... the first drummer ever to to go from playing time on the snare or hi-hats to playing time on a "ride" cymbal while stomping 2 and 4 on the hi-hat, Kenny Clarke, is also missing. There are certainly numerous other forefathers also missing from this list.

From a metal perspective, what prompted them to go with Dave Lombardo (Slayer) and not Charlie Benante (Anthrax) or Lars Ulrich (Metallica) for that matter?

From a latin/world drumming perspective, Walfredo De Los Reyes, Tito Puente, Ignacio Berroa and Jose Luis Quintana/Changuito are also missing, along with many others from across Latin America and other parts of the world. (Africa, India etc...)

Neil Peart made the list (Duhh....) but where's one of his biggest influences, Bill Bruford?

Funk/R&B drummers are adequately represented (Garibaldi and Dennis Chambers). Where are Jabo Starks and Clyde Stubblefield (the most sampled/looped drummers in the history of music)?

Jeff Porcaro's contributions to studio drumming (and drumming in general) have already been mentioned in another thread, and he's not on the list. Steve Gadd is on the list, and of course so is Ringo Starr, but from a studio/session drummer's perspective, where's Hal Blaine?

Certainly all the drummers on that list do deserve to be there (ok, with the exception of Travis Barker), but for not having made the list I say Stewart's in quite esteemed company.

Laz

ps. to my knowledge, Drum! magazine and Modern Drummer are two completely different publications not affiliated in any way.

[Divemistress of the Dark]

I dunno. Sad to say, I'd be tempted to chalk this up to the generally sorry state of criticism today. Weren't we all outraged a while ago when some mainstream mag (Rolling Stone?) put out the top 200 albums and nary a Police record made the list.

[neonhunter]

Good post, Laz. Twenty-five is a very short list! I don't think MD was trying for the definitive list.....Maybe it was just to stir debate, which it has among the fine musicologists of the Krypton Forum....I'd like to read Stewart's list of HIS top 25 drummers........

[Laz]

Yeah, probably more like "50 Greatest/Most Important Drummers of All Time" would have been better. People still would complain that too many important drummers were snubbed, though. Stewart and Carlton Barrett definitely would have made that list. I say Stewart should be number one on any "Greatest Drummers" list.

Laz

[Divemistress of the Dark]

[xpost with Laz]

What he said.

[Laz]

[quote="neonhunter"]Good post, Laz. Twenty-five is a very short list! I don't think MD was trying for the definitive list.....Maybe it was just to stir debate, which it has among the fine musicologists of the Krypton Forum....I'd like to read Stewart's list of HIS top 25 drummers........[/quote]

From what I've heard/read, I think Stewart's mentioned Buddy Rich in the past. I'm sure he would mention any number of reggae/ska drummers as influences, as well as drummers/percussionists from Egypt and/or Lebanon that he grew up listening to as a kid. I know he keeps going back to Mitch Mitchell (Jimi Hendrix Experience) in many of his interviews. I would definitely be extremely curious to see a list of Stewart's favorite drummers that influenced him over the years and helped shape his drumming style.

Laz

[Divemistress of the Dark]

Yeah. It's why I keep trying to hunt down interviews in which he mentions what he's listening to. Unfailingly good stuff, usually.

[Marshmallow Jones 1]

utter pants.

As has been mentioned, the lack of Carlton Barrett's 'one-drop' and Stewart's reggae and middle eastern influenced playing make this list a joke.

Dave Grohl? Travis fricking Barker?

puh-leeze

[GinaSuperCat]

He's mentioned Gene K. and Buddy, and Tony W., too, more than once, along with Mitch, as you note. Also Jack DeJohnette. John Densmore, too, as one of the earlier influences, I think...

He mentioned Joey Jordison when he was listening to speed metal and got back into double bass drumming...

It's funny how times change: MD introduced the interview in 2001 claiming he was one of the most influential drummers of the last 25 years, at the time:

"A case can be made that Stewart Copeland is the single most influential drummer of the last twenty-plus years. A good case."

http://www.moderndrummer.com/updatefull/200001190

[Mister Gradenko]

At least Buddy Rich is in the list...

[David Herbert]

This list is a joke. No Stewart Copeland. No Bill Bruford or Clyde Stubblefield. And where the HELL is Zigaboo Modeliste?
I rarely put weight behind these types of lists.
David