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Postby Rusty James on 11 Apr 2007 17:58

Hi DirtyMartini/virgin drum goddess; I have played the drums for the last 20 years or so and I was fortunate to have had instruction during my formative years from a very accomplished teacher that not only teached but performed in a jazz band. Needless to say, he has some chops to speak of and plenty of good advice to give. :D
At the beginning I was experimenting with matched grip vs traditional grip. I found matched grip to be easier to handle and now I play both ways. Go with whatever feels right to you. Either method with cause some inevitable pain until those calluses build up! :D
My teacher handed me a copy of "Stick Control" and to this day has remained gospel for rudimentary instruction. :D
I started with a rental drum kit. It consisted of a kick drum, snare, one rack tom, a floor tom, a piece of crap hi-hat and some even crappier cymbals. It was all I needed to start with. Later on my set-up evolved into better quality drums and cymbals as available finances would allow. There is nothing wrong with used drum stuff if you know what you're looking for. :D
I think the most valuable lesson I learned was to count out loud as I was playing. Being able to play along with a click track or metronome is paramount to everything; particularly if you intend to be involved in studio projects and playing with a live band. Perfect meter is hard to achieve, even when you're playing some straight ahead four on the floor type beats. Practice, practice and then practice some more! :D
After years of exposure to on-stage monitor systems, amplifiers and such, I have consequently lost some of my hearing. Protect those ears at ALL costs. :!:
I had a short and less than illustrious career as a drummer in an original band that wrote lots of songs, recorded some material and played all over the place for little or no money and sometimes just beer. Point being I had so much fun and although I never "made it" I wouldn't trade those years for anything. Chalk it up to life experience. If you're not having fun and getting frustrated, take a break and go back at it and give 'em hell. There are lots of drummers on this website that have some great advice so you're never alone. Best of luck, it's well worth it! 8) 8) 8)
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Postby gezellig on 11 Apr 2007 18:19

Don't try to run before you can walk and remember that you got four limbs.

Sounds silly, but if you can work your left side as much as your right then you'll be as sought after as football players who can pass and shoot equally well off both feet. Paradidles, snare drum method and all that - boring as it can be - is really the place to start so you are able to lead off both sides.

Don't go for a massive kit ala an 80s heavy metal band. A basic 4 piece, hi hat, crash and ride will see you through. Don't get too heavy sticks and use your wrists not your arms when playing.

Good luck!
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Postby samburusunset on 11 Apr 2007 18:20

Play outside your instrument!
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Postby gezellig on 11 Apr 2007 18:27

Yeh and play outside your instrument cos once you start thinking about it you will trip, just like the centipede when asked how he walks!
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Postby DirtyMartini on 11 Apr 2007 19:03

To quote Divemistress, I love you people.

Thanks, Caligula, Gezelig, and SSunset! (Fix the quote marks in your sig, you poseur.) I already have "Stick Control" on the top of my Wishlist of stuff to buy soon and am looking into a piece of crap used snare to start out with. (I figure I should work on the basics before I pony up for a piece of crap used set.)

Since you mentioned the hearing issue, Caligula, can you or any of our resident drum deities recommend a particular set of earplugs or headphones for dampening sound? I really hate the moldable in-the-ear-canal things (they really screw with my senses) -- but is there anything out there that is protective but not quite so uncomfortable/unnerving/dizzying?

Whoo-hoo! This is going to be ONE LOUD SUMMER.

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Postby BongoBoy on 11 Apr 2007 19:36

Another very helpful thing is...do you have any friends that are learning guitar/bass/keyboards etc?.

Even if they are better than you (or worse) as long a they are cool with the fact you are learning, it's a great (and really FUN) way to speed up you skills.

Having a friend on bass and guitar (just hold a simple beat only) you will start to "feel" when you are locked in and when you have "rushed" the beat or maybe too "laid back", behind the beat. It really makes you aware of what you are trying to do.

Don't be afraid because you feel you arn't quite there yet. Just jump in if someone suggests jamming. Just get a basic beat down. Some people works so hard on all the tech aspects they lose sight of just "grooving" out on a simple song. Remember confidence is half the battle.

That's it.

Don't get frustrated...or..you WILL get frustrated (I still do). It's like Golf...you never really are satisfyied, that's what's so cool! The never-ending kinetic ritual of leaning da beats!

Just DRUM!!!
I'm back to playing a bit EVERYDAY and it makes a huge difference.

Keep us updated on your progress to see if we helped you!
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Postby DirtyMartini on 11 Apr 2007 20:15

[quote="BongoBoy"]Keep us updated on your progress to see if we helped you![/quote]

Does that mean I can blame you guys if I suck? :P

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Postby BongoBoy on 11 Apr 2007 20:32

Yes totally!

we might suck also.

The great thing about drums is...it's ALL feel. Doesn't matter if you play like Copeland or basic like Phil Rudd from AC/DC...it's the groove of the song that is important.

Listen to some classic tunes, sometimes it's the simplest beat on a hit song.

Every Breath You Take ?

Cheers. (solid drum pattern first...drum fills later!)
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Postby Roxanne75 on 11 Apr 2007 20:42

I think it is always good to get some professional training for a certain time to avoid stupid habits. After a year you can easily train yourself. Cheers.
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Postby dontboxmein on 11 Apr 2007 22:34

One thing I noticed in the threads that has been over looked. Is compared to match/trad grip... why you would use one over the other? You have more muscle control with match, but for light jazz nothing beats it. Learn both grips it will make you more of a diverse player. And by all means learn drumming from different cultures. African/Brazilian/Asian/ this to will put you chops over the top learn odd meter rhythms.

Get a good teacher who understands music therory...not just drumming.

Good luck remember what you put in is what you'll get out.

I practiced 6 hrs a day for about 14 years straight. That is way I can be off a kit for 6 mos at a time and nobody notices. Put in the time it will pay off in the long run.
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Postby Divemistress of the Dark on 11 Apr 2007 23:44

(I love that there are a slew of actual drummers on this board...

Just an observation...;))
On Google - site:stewartcopeland.net "your keyword here" - thanks DM!!
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Postby DirtyMartini on 12 Apr 2007 01:25

Thanks for all the thoughts, DBMI.

As the grip goes, I'd like to be able to do both eventually -- but as I'm a newbie, I have to start with something. I figure I'll start out beating the crap out of anything that doesn't move and see which grip develops.

Thanks as always, Copelandia!
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Postby samburusunset on 16 Apr 2007 17:40

Do drummers get carpal tunnel or repetitive stress injuries?
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Postby BongoBoy on 16 Apr 2007 18:08

The reason I am learning the traditional grip is because Stewart himself says you can actually hit harder. When you use matched you use a lot of forearm...traditional you use more bicep muscle.

Anyway, that's what I heard.

I like the feel of traditional...just takes a while.

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Postby Ska Man on 16 Apr 2007 20:57

i actually use both if i am playing a song that requires lots of ride cymbal work then i use traditional grip that gives me power & its fun. However if I am playing the hats i like matched grip so its a personal preference i guess. :) My advise to reach your goals is to have FUN :D FUN :lol: FUN :P , & PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE. open your mind and heart to as much different kinds of music as possible. If you want to master the reggae aspect of Stewart's playing, try listening to Bob Marley especially live. Finally its easy to play fast but EXTREMELY DIFFICULT to play slow & controlled, if you can play slowly and keep your meter on you are more than half way to your goal :). In my opinion one of the hardest songs to play on drums is "If You Dont Know Me By Now" by Percy Sledg there arent a lot of fills and magnificent drumming but the meter is SLOW, STEADY & controlled.
a good POLICE song to practice with is "WHEN THE WORLD IS RUNNING DOWN....." the song is GOLD one of Stewarts best drumming its steady no fills and Stewart just stays in the pocket for the entire song.

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