He describes the reunion as “a mistake psychologically”

Re: He describes the reunion as “a mistake psychologically”

Postby policefan on 01 Jun 2010 01:01

Susan wrote:How is that different from calling it "soup of utter misery"?

Yes. Stewart did make quite a few negative comments but he did say that the last three months of the tour were the best ones in his rock star career.

My theory:
Stewart was able to find some happiness at the end of the tour whereas Sting didn’t.
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Re: He describes the reunion as “a mistake psychologically”

Postby sockii on 01 Jun 2010 02:35

plutonic wrote:Problem is this band has too many balls, not too few.
Sting's problem is that the real balls aren't his.


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Re: He describes the reunion as “a mistake psychologically”

Postby luddite lady on 01 Jun 2010 03:02

[quote="sockii"][quote="plutonic"]Problem is this band has too many balls, not too few.
Sting's problem is that the real balls aren't his.[/quote]

I <3 U, Dan.[/quote]

I second that emotion, sockii. When pluto started talking balls, all I could see in my head was the CHA ball explosion all over MSG during the last show. His avatar didn't help me shake the image either.
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Re: He describes the reunion as “a mistake psychologically”

Postby Bry on 01 Jun 2010 03:13

policefan wrote:
Susan wrote:How is that different from calling it "soup of utter misery"?

Yes. Stewart did make quite a few negative comments but he did say that the last three months of the tour were the best ones in his rock star career.

My theory:
Stewart was able to find some happiness at the end of the tour whereas Sting didn’t.


Yeah, I truly believe Sting needs drama to function. I mean, this is rock 'n roll combined with a stadium's worth of giddy admiration. Anyone who can't get with that program has a serious disorder in my book.

Anyhoo... I admire Stewart and Andy enough to deal with having one of my childhood heroes turn out to be not so cool.
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Re: He describes the reunion as “a mistake psychologically”

Postby smax on 01 Jun 2010 10:24

if gordo had said simply that "it was a fucking nightmare" i think that would be easier to believe and swallow rather than talking about a "psychological mistake": unles he means how tourzilla affected the audiences' perception of him a solo artist...although is it really any surprise that gordo seems to have thought of the most pompous and removed way of describing something? pretentious, moi?... with the myth around the band that they used to fight all the time, etc etc , they've got to say that tourzilla was hard or there'd be no glory in it or handle on it for the press...

Dan, once again i agree with you about the Brands and solo gordo's relatively lower stature.. but i dont think that or his supposed writers block hurting him too much; he's managed to get, what, 5 albums (symphonicity, Certified, Labrynth, Police greatest hits and the Winter one) released without having written more than 4 new songs, must be some kind of record... just not a new one...... I do wonder how long he can do this for, though....

i would rather have this situation with the band having done their thing (and me having had my flag moment) and each member now trying, if not new stuff, then trying new approaches and exploring what they want to do, even if what they produce isn't endlessly on my ipod (how many listen to the ben hur soundtrack every day?) i'm pleased they're doing it, after all they could be U2 or the rolling stones just endlessly producing the same record / tour with a different producer and technology to make it look, if not sound, different.. besides which it gives us chance to piss and moan at gordo for not still being 29 which is always fun.
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Re: He describes the reunion as “a mistake psychologically”

Postby Johnny O on 01 Jun 2010 13:13

Wasn't the Reunion Sting's idea in the first place? I would say that Stewart and Andy were the humble ones by far. The music in Tourzilla was VERY Sting-centric. I believe Andy and Stewart bit their tongue as Sting led them through the "new" arrangements. The tour songs-styles were VERY similar to Sting solo takes on the Police songs. His comments smell like a famous actor who grows to hate the one role he's known for (and made the most money for). Tearing down what makes you something only makes you nothing. Careful to tread on that ground, Gordo. It may open up below your feet...

Then again, who's to say that Sting isn't prepping us all for a swerve. His whole "I get off by surprising people" thing. Maybe he wants to get together with the Police again and is trying to throw everyone off by... Aw, forget it... :lol:
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Re: He describes the reunion as “a mistake psychologically”

Postby Stephen on 01 Jun 2010 17:32

I've said it before, but I think you have to take ANYTHING Sting says to the press with an ENORMOUS grain of salt.

You really think after 30+ years in the music business that Sting is going to tell a reporter what is really going on inside his head? My theory is that he's just shooting his mouth off, and nobody should believe a word of it. Besides, if he had said something positive about the reunion tour the focus of the interview would have changed completely, and Sting needs to promote his current project, not last years.
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Re: He describes the reunion as “a mistake psychologically”

Postby Chatchka on 01 Jun 2010 18:21

Some wild, irrelevant conjecture... :mrgreen:

I've always gotten the feeling that Sting does his best work when he is reveling in his own misery. Maybe he is just trying to talk himself into feeling really morose so that he can create something fresh. That has just GOT to be difficult to do after spending a couple of years rocking your way around the world with Andy and Stewart...to screaming throngs...and making bazillions!! (Hell, I still can't wipe the grin off my face.)

For someone that seems to thrive on angst, figuring out that he has a lot to be happy about must be driving him phucking nuts! I can't imagine the songs that would come from being a happy yoga-blissed, multi-millionaire that lives in the Magic Stingdom.

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Re: He describes the reunion as “a mistake psychologically”

Postby secretjourneyranch on 02 Jun 2010 21:08

At least he is consistent in his degrading comments towards the band, the bandmates and the fans that gave him the pedestal he is thanklessly pompous from.

Good thing he never got that dead end job he was so afraid of.
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Re: He describes the reunion as “a mistake psychologically”

Postby plutonic on 03 Jun 2010 00:21

Stephen wrote:
I've said it before, but I think you have to take ANYTHING Sting says to the press with an ENORMOUS grain of salt.

You really think after 30+ years in the music business that Sting is going to tell a reporter what is really going on inside his head? My theory is that he's just shooting his mouth off, and nobody should believe a word of it. Besides, if he had said something positive about the reunion tour the focus of the interview would have changed completely, and Sting needs to promote his current project, not last years.


Excellent point.
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Re: He describes the reunion as “a mistake psychologically”

Postby policerule on 08 Jun 2010 12:14

[quote="plutonic"]Sting's biggest mistake psychologically is not being able to get the fuck over himself already.[/quote]


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Re: He describes the reunion as “a mistake psychologically”

Postby 63falcon on 08 Jun 2010 20:05

Well, to paraphrase what my boyfriend said when I was chatting about this thread: It must have shaken Sting somewhat to be at the center of such an outpouring-that obviously included ALL THREE members of The Police. And you can't tell me Sting didn't get swept up by the flow when the Guys would jam out on some of those instrumental sections.
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Re: He describes the reunion as “a mistake psychologically”

Postby Peanut on 18 Jun 2010 07:18

Hmm... An interesting one.
He's probably looking back in hindsight - let's face it, we all get times when we feel like getting in touch with old friends, but maybe by doing so we remember certain aspects of ourselves that we really didn't like.
I think a lot of weight was put on all of their shoulders and no matter what either of them say, the fact they reunited probably carries more psychological scarring that we won't see.
Who are we to judge really? We just liked the music, the thing that mattered - not the Heat
magazine debacles, they were just trade offs for a great form of art - we all know this.
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Re: He describes the reunion as “a mistake psychologically”

Postby TheEqualizer on 18 Jun 2010 16:17

Somewhat related story in today's Las Vegas paper:
http://www.lvrj.com/neon/dominic-miller-96637944.html

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Jun. 18, 2010
Copyright © Las Vegas Review-Journal

INTERVIEWS: Dominic Miller

Sting taking orchestra on road for latest tour, which stops in Vegas today

By MIKE WEATHERFORD
LAS VEGAS REVIEW-JOURNAL


Sting has been adventurous over the years, from shows with the Grateful Dead to this tour with the Royal Philharmonic orchestra.

Guitarist Dominic Miller has been the one constant in Sting’s career since “The Soul Cages” in 1991.

Sting’s previous solo tour stripped the band down to two guitars, bass and drums. This time he’s bringing the whole Royal Philharmonic Concert Orchestra.

“He really is unpredictable,” notes guitarist Dominic Miller. But “his fans have grown up with him, and they’re kind of used to that by now.”

So is Miller, the one constant in Sting’s career since “The Soul Cages” in 1991. The tour visiting the MGM Grand Garden today is a challenge to stay in step with 40-plus orchestra players.

“I have restrictions,” Miller says. “Usually, he gives me a lot of freedom to just go for it. In this gig, you’re innocent until proven guilty if I decide to do a suspended ninth or flattened 13th (chord) at random.”

But it’s a fair trade to hear classics such as “Fields of Gold” and “Every Little Thing She Does Is Magic” done with new majesty. “It’s an incredibly expensive operation,” Miller says of taking the entire orchestra on the road. It’s more traditional and cost-effective to contract players in each city, but Sting “wanted all the orchestral musicians to have some kind of ownership in this project.”

The guitarist wasn’t onboard for Sting’s first solo date on the Strip at the Aladdin in 1988. But his 1,000-plus concerts in the various lineups since then included some memorable stops in Las Vegas.

There were three strange days in May 1993, when Sting was a surprising opening act for the Grateful Dead at Sam Boyd Stadium. A freak thunderstorm greeted the first day with a lightning strike in the parking lot.

“It was an incredible experience to see Americana in that way, and the kind of audiences that came to those shows,” says the guitarist who spent his childhood in Argentina. Miller is “a certified Deadhead” himself and pays homage to Garcia’s guitar genius on his new instrumental album, “November.”

Sting was visibly having the time of his life at the Dead shows, and the album of the day, “Ten Summoner’s Tales,” became one of the biggest and most enduring of his career.

In October 1999, Sting played every song from the new “Brand New Day” album in a three-night stand at the Hard Rock Hotel. It went on to sell 3 million copies, his last real blockbuster.

“Brand New Day” also was, Miller says, “the start of another journey he went on, the start of the much more complex kind of thing” in its arrangements and engineering, one that continued on the “Sacred Love” album and 2004 tour stop at the MGM Grand.

Miller wanted his own solo album to have the more live feel of the older records, so he recorded it quickly and cheaply with few overdubs and a ban on noodling: “No solos, just themes,” he says, which was “incredibly challenging as a guitarist.”

Fans could have assumed Sting had moved past his rock ambitions until he surprised them with the about-face at Mandalay Bay in April 2006. “I find it very refreshing,” Sting then told the Las Vegas Review-Journal of the quartet format. “It’s punchy, it’s spare, it’s kind of nostalgic. I do a lot of Police material because it’s tailor made for that.”

That concert also fell under the banner of Tiger Jam, the annual fundraiser for the Tiger Woods Foundation (which is now of undetermined fate in the wake of Woods’ sex scandal).

“He’s a kind of rock star,” Miller says of the golfer. “I remember being struck by how down to earth he was. A totally regular dude.” Albeit, one who would later be exposed as “not that clever.”

It’s now clear the quartet tour “planted the seed for the Police reunion,” a career move that left Miller “on the bench for two years.”

“It came as a bit of a blow to me. Kind of like when the husband goes back to the ex-wife. I didn’t take it very well.”

You can’t begrudge the guy a paycheck. The Police reunion was a tough ticket to score for the MGM Grand in June 2007. But the band took the liberty to screw around with the classic arrangements, and when The Police came back for an encore in May 2008, there were empty seats and no effort by Sting, Stewart Copeland and Andy Summers to pretend they were enjoying each other’s company.

“Maybe he found out after going back to the ex, that maybe it wasn’t the best thing,” Miller says.

The guitarist won’t pretend to be upset, because he has his old job back. “I work best with him. I just know how to do the job. I’m always gonna be up for it.

“I’m like the old sofa in the band,” he says. “It’s comfortable. It works.”

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Re: He describes the reunion as “a mistake psychologically”

Postby Divemistress of the Dark on 18 Jun 2010 23:48

there were empty seats and no effort by Sting, Stewart Copeland and Andy Summers to pretend they were enjoying each other’s company.


?? That's not what I remember hearing about that gig. At all.

Thanks for the link, tho, EQ.
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